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Hi again, dear watchers and watcherettes!

In lieu of the latest Fantastic Four film (which I had the chance to watch) and all that's been said about it, I went digging through my old files and found this illustration of the infamous Victor Von Doom I never posted anywhere and thought appropriate for the ocassion.

It will always baffle me why Hollywood producers/directors/executives would find any idea ridiculous or 'not fit for the screen'. While I agree that some things are very difficult to translate from one medium to another, it isn't impossible to at least keep some of the original intention to the character adaptation so as to tap on that which made it great in the first place. Dr. Doom, a classic, archetypal villain, has a few characteristics that made him and continue to make him one of the greatest creations in the Marvel Universe. He's a super-intelligent, brilliant dictator, who's got a whole country to pitch against his foes and the world! If that isn't a great premise I don't know what is. And I don't think anyone would argue that taking that original incarnation is closer to the real world than having him spew mutated death rays from his heavily altered superhuman form to the titular heroes. It's easier to believe a crazy ruler of some european country would fashion himself into a demi-god, that a teenage hacker would get super-angry at being dissed by the cool kids; okay, maybe both can work :D
I think the only thing that could cause some trouble would be the classic design of Doom. But in the post-Avengers world where people actually love a guy with a horned helmet, I think with some updates, the look could definitely pass the audience's tests.

And not everything can be turned into grimdark either. I think the greatest achievement for any director working with the Fantastic Four would be to keep their upbeat tone without making it silly. Turning it grimdark is the easy way, I think.

In any event, I hope you enjoy this take on my favorite villain and I'll see if I can dig up some more old artwork from my beloved Fantastic Four.

Have a great week!

Nic.-
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Tr01ka Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2016  Student General Artist
Top 1 dumped villain ever. 
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
:D Indeed!

Nic.-
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Wilson-Palacio Featured By Owner Feb 29, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Brutal!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you, my friend!

Nic.-
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CyrusGrissom Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016
Very nice man.

I agree the new F4 movie sucked and Fox should stick to X-Men and give up F4 back to Marvel.

We need Doom, Silver Surfer, Skrulls and Galactus in MCU.

Do you think this dark/gritty mentality is taking the wrong lessons from Nolan and his Dark knight trilogy? it's just like how in the 90s some comics took the wrong lessons from the successes of Heavy Metal Magazine, Frank Miller, Alan Moore and Akira by Katsuhiro Otomo don't you think?
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Hey J! 

Thank you for the kind words and I think that, such as it happened with comics in the 80s, dark/gritty has to be done really well to be able to work and engage audiences and readers in the case of comics. No one was quite able to replicate Moore's and Miller's success in that genre, mostly because they weren't meant to be taken as 'the rule', but rather as an example of how to make a really amazing story, with lots of nuances and adult themes. Making everything dark and gloomy can ruin characters that were never designed to be that way, such as the FF. These were bright, hopeful, 50s sci-fi creations that won't ever merge well with a more 'serious' approach. 

I believe they are negotiating their return to the MCU sphere, so we may get a version of Marvel's first family closer to what Guardians of the Galaxy was than The Dark Knight.

Nic.-
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CyrusGrissom Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2016
Yet do you think The Dark Knight Trilogy worked not for dark and gritty but good story, mature themes and all that is what some imitators forget the right lessons right?

Don't forget about Heavy Metal Magazine and Akira by Katsuhiro otomo, they were commercial successes in the 80s too especially Akira when it came out in the US in 1988 after it was a hit in Japan in 1982. Heavy Metal Magazine worked well not just because of some sex, some drug use, some violence and some nudity but some of the stories like Richard Corben's had substance to them even some humor plus imagination. Even Akira while gritty and dark has substance with occassional humor. Those 2 also inspired imitators that missed the point as well in the 90s.
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I think that a great story is exactly why movies capture the audience or not; absolutely.

And I agree on your opinions about Heavy Metal (of which I'm a huge fan of) as well as Akira and Corben's work (DEN is still one of my favourite comic tales). What made these creations great and inspired such a cult-following is that they had a lot of substance and didn't take the reader for granted: they assumed that whomever was reading the story was an intelligent person interested in amazing art and a solid script and so they work on that basis.
Nowadays, studio execs tend to think that people only go to the movies, read a comic or book with the aim to be just superficially pleased with romance and some explosions. But if you take a look at what happens at the box office, many times the opposite is true.

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CyrusGrissom Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016
And remembered in the 90s when things went "Xtreme" even in comics?
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Oh, boy. Those were some pretty strange days. Pouches everywhere :D

Nic.-
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Tyler5036 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2015
Awesome!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!

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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2015
 The problem with depicting Doctor Doom properly is that Darth Vader borrowed so many ideas from this particular inspiration so successfully that it would be very hard to depict the Wicked Doctor in the style he merits without risking comparisons (especially now that the rights to Marvel and Star Wars are BOTH owned by the same company ... but the CINEMATIC rights to the Fantastic Four are not).
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
A very truthful and wise appreciation on the matter indeed, my good friend. I do hope that the rumors of the FF getting back to Marvel are true. I believe the 'House of Ideas' has been hangling their properties so well, that they may be the only hope of ever seeing their first family done as they deserve.

Nic.-
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Libra1010 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016
 I think that the key problem is that they keep trying to cast the First Family of comics a little TOO young; I'd have suggested working the angle of the Fantastic Four as a superhuman family that happens to be quite heroic, rather than writing them as another superhero team: one suspects that the Fantastic Four might actually be better suited to Television than to Cinema (think a cross between STAR TREK and THE INCREDIBLES).  
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Contractor815 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015
And titled in all caps, as it should be XD
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
EXACTLY!

:D

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Gonfrask Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
Personalmente lo que han hecho al diseño de Doom en la nueva peli es el motivo nº 1 por el que no voy a ir a verla, luego a parte tengo otros
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Mi querido Gon, los motivos sobran; y te lo digo después de haberla visto. Da la sensación de que lo único que qeuría FOX era salvar los derechos de la franquicia, pero creo que han hecho todo lo contrario y ahora la única opción para salavr un poco la dignidad será que reviertan los derechos a Marvel.

Nic.-
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C0ren71n Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
Superb !
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!

Nic.-
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GeminiSolace Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
Doom just watched the new Fantastic Four movie, and now he's launching an invasion against Hollywood. Good-bye, L.A..
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
:rofl:

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CapnFlynn Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015  Professional Filmographer
I really love this, Nic! Great composition and perspective, and I love Doom's attitude. He's got a little bit of sass to him, I think. :D
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much, Kat! Compliments from you always make my day :) And I definitely agree on Victor's sass; from very early on, I read him as having a bit of a sexy mischievous attitude :D

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CapnFlynn Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2015  Professional Filmographer
And art from you always makes my day, so that seems like a good trade. :D
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DrXanatos Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
Haven't seen the new movie and will not see the new movie. I think I shall use my time better by reading Dr Doom related comics and such.
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
That will be time well spent, my good sir!

Nic.-
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Lola-Layton Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
cool :)
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks!

Nic.-
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Rarmus Featured By Owner Edited Aug 11, 2015
If they get the Fantastic Four rights back to Marvel, I don't even want to see the team. I only really care about The Thing, who I find is the most interesting of the Four.

If they get the rights back, though...I would love to see Marvel Studios' first villain protagonist title. Think about it, Nic! Doom would be perfect for his own movie, not to mention he'd cure their films of whatever problems they seem to have with villains, save for Loki. Doom's probably my favourite villain in all of Marvel, so perhaps I'm a bit biased. Not only that, but Doom's look is so iconic. The grimacing metal mask and his green cloak are instantly recognizable. He inspired Darth Vader, for goodness' sake.

I just hope they do the character justice on the big screen one day.

EDIT: Oh, let's not forget this. 24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1n…
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
I think there's a BIG chance that Fox will just sell the rights back to Marvel (and cheaply at that!). They only keep them because they thought they could cash in on the huge superhero-movie spectacle going on in the last few years. But you have to know what you're doing if you want to create a success and that's what they don't seem to get about Marvel Studios. Same goes for Warner with the DC franchise. And desperation never helped anyone make a good product.

I think Marvel would make an excellent FF movie because Kevin Feige, the head of the Studios and the guy who actually came up with the whole Cinematic Universe is actually a huge geek himself. So he knows what these characters are about; Spider-man I think will be the best example when Civil War comes rolling into theaters next year.

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Hognatius Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I can't bring myself to see the new FF film for pretty much the reasons you've cited. The stuff that Kirby and Lee did is pretty much all you need to produce a great film. It's not the characters that are the problem- it's the producers and studio execs.
and Doom should be frightening. He's the original Darth Vader!

That aside, awesome artwork!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
He inspired Darth Vader indeed! It's not something you can easily forget. I believe where the studio execs are mistaken is believing these characters or their stories need to be 'serious' to atract a bigger audience, when in fact, Marvel has proven the opposite to be true.

Thanks for the compliments!

Nic.-
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Estonius Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
Way cool Doom and scene!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much, my friend!

Nic.-
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Wilson-Palacio Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Awesome as always my friend!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you so much!

Nic.-
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aristi1982 Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Hobbyist
Amazing!
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!

Nic.-
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Sexual-Yeti Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I have not seen the new F4 movie... and I really don't want to. I know I won't know for sure, but just from what little I have seen, hasn't left any good vibes for me, and I usually like grimdark stuff.

Oh well, as long as Fox gets to keep it's mitts on the property, right fellas? #sarcasm 
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
That's exactly the problem: they just wanted to keep the rights. But honestly, what good business can come out of such a horrible movie? I mean, now they turned the FF franchise into a hot rod they should really think about getting rid of.

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Sexual-Yeti Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
That actually ties with a similar problem in gaming, as well as film. Many great properties, with a large amount of artists and creators willing to do something with it, and of course the owner's unwillingness to sell the property. Especially if the property is something they have no plans to adapt or expand upon. Just as long as someone else doesn't make money off of it.

What makes it so ridiculous is that they are competing with Marvel and Disney. If I was in Fox's position, I would simply cut my losses, sell the property back to them for a ridiculous amount of money (because believe me, they can and are willing to pay it), then use our studio capital to build up another interlectual property that isn't so competed over, but still has a LOT of interest and value in. The reason the cinematic universe of marvel has become such a cash cow is because they have built it up, project by project. It took time, sure, but it has resulted in one of the biggest pop culture franchises of all time. Don't any of them want to make something like that for themselves, rather than play pretend and dress up so to speak?

Guess not.
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xXWeaponPrimeXx Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
So much better than the film's Doom. Thank you so much for helping cleanse a portion of that movie from my brain.
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
You're welcome, Thomas! Anything to help my fellow comic fans relieve the aftertaste of that film.

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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
Scientist, Dictator, Magician? What's needed for any type of justification? I hate that they try to make some of these movies "real world' and eschew the things that make them great. I mean, it's oxymoronic in a way, because they want us to believe a guy can stretch and a woman can turn invisible, but to have a villain with his own country and is a super genius is his own right is a bridge too far? Stupid. Plus, they never get his look completely right. Doom has a glorious design that somehow gets screwed up in the films, even when they still apply the 'basics', i.e. green cloak, silver body armor. It's absurd. I had some excitement about this flick because I really loved Chronicle and I don't care about his involvement vs. the studios. The director is just as much a hired hand as a key grip and someone on that movie should have said something to right the ship. I'm not sure about this cut footage that is rumoring around the net, and I'm not sure we'll even see any of that footage, but it makes me curious. If it appears, then, and ONLY then, will I take the time to watch this flick. 
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
I agree with this post wholeheartdely! Though, to be honest, I've read many things about Trank that made me raise an eyebrow. This film was doomed (pun intended) from the get-go, because FOX was just making it to keep the rights to the characters. Thus, they hired this guy who made a really cool movie but it was his *first*; and we all know elevating someone from an 'indie' guy to a big-budget film always creates conflict. The other thing I think had a huge impact on why Chronicle was actually good is that the script was written by Max Landis. If you can check out the first four pages of his script for the FF movie, you can see that the previous film might've been more a case of having a cool story, rather than how it was directed (it was clever, but found footage has been done to death and isn't very impressive in itself).

Let's hope Fox finally gives in and sells the rights back to Marvel. Only then we can sigh and hope for something better than this latest disaster. Though I reckon even with Kevin Feige at the helm of a new production, we won't have a FF reboot for some years.

Nic.-
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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2015
Well, Sony did the same thing with ASM 2 to keep the rights and look what happened there. I think Marvel is in a GREAT position to at least help FOX establish a good FF movie with story and casting while FOX can keep the licensing. If Civil War and the Spider-Man reboot show promise, this may in fact be the case. 

And yes, the more I read about Trank the more it seems that he may have been in over his head and a bit of a diva from some of the reports I've read. Either being a diva or trying to adjust to heavy studio involvement. We may never know. 
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NicolasRGiacondino Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, Track certainly buried his chances of working in Hollywwod after that fateful tweet blaming the execs, so... I doubt we'll ever know indeed.

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BrattyBen Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015
True that!
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